The Scooby Zone
A podcast where 2 old friends watch a bit of Scooby-Doo media and then talk about it.
The Scooby Zone
Scoobynatural
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Strap in for a Scoobtacular crossover as we experience some deja vu as this week we watch "Scoobynatural". What wins in a street race between an Impala and a micro van? What really killed Colonel Beauregard Sanders? And what is a scooby-don't? All this and more await inside the Scooby Zone.
Hello and welcome to the Scooby-Zone, the podcast where we're gonna need a bigger mouth as we watch a bit of Scooby-Doo media. I'm Rob. And I'm Katie. And today we will be watching Scooby Natural Episode 280 of Supernatural.
SPEAKER_03Yep.
SPEAKER_00Not Scooby-Doo.
SPEAKER_03Not Scooby-Doo, but it is within the likes of Scooby-Doo, but it's a little different take on it, so we're very excited to show this to you guys. It's definitely different, but it's Scooby-Doo for adults. Yes, exactly.
SPEAKER_00Um yeah, last week we watched A Night Afright is no delight, episode 16 of the original Scooby-Doo Where Are You? And back in 2018, the 16th episode of the 13th season of Supernatural was a self-contained crossover with that particular episode of Scooby-Doo. Right. So we figured we just covered the Scooby-Doo episode.
SPEAKER_03Yep.
SPEAKER_00We'll cover the Supernatural episode right away.
SPEAKER_03Right, let's do it. This could be fun.
SPEAKER_00You know, and this is going to be very interesting.
SPEAKER_03Oh, it is definitely.
SPEAKER_00Because you have a long history with Supernatural as a series.
SPEAKER_02Yep.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah. And me, this is essentially the only episode that I've ever seen.
SPEAKER_03Of course it is. So no pun intended on that one.
SPEAKER_00So it's going to be. I think it's going to be a nice back and forth between the two of us for this episode.
SPEAKER_03I definitely think so.
SPEAKER_00Obviously, there's going to be jokes you will understand more than I will. Yes, there will be. Because when I first saw this episode a couple years back. Right. All I knew in terms of Supernatural was just what I believe would be picked up through pop culture osmosis, you know?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00I know Sam and Dean.
SPEAKER_01Yep.
SPEAKER_00I know Dean's obsession with the Impala.
SPEAKER_03Oh yes. Baby. Baby.
SPEAKER_00And something about this song, Carry On My Wayward Son by Kansas.
SPEAKER_03Oh yes. That is actually for the end of pretty much the end of like the last episode of every season. The intro is like it's a summarization of the whole uh season as a whole, but with Carry on My Wayward Son as the song playing with it. So that is what that song technically means. So very, very popular song within the supernatural culture. So yes.
SPEAKER_00So as you can see, I went into this particular episode knowing very little.
SPEAKER_03Practically nothing. Give you a little props of very little. Okay.
SPEAKER_00You know, I mean I knew the two main characters. Right. And, you know, one of them loves their car, which is a 69 Impala. 67 Chevy Impala.
SPEAKER_03It's a 69. 67. Okay, so I got the year wrong.
SPEAKER_00Either way, I knew it was a Chevy Impala.
SPEAKER_03Well, there you go. You might make Dean very unhappy because you're saying it's a 69. It's supposed to be a 69.
SPEAKER_00Well, I'm not a ghost, so I have nothing to worry about.
SPEAKER_03But there's a ghost. Oh man.
SPEAKER_00Although he did voice Red Hood in the direct-to-vide movie Batman Under the Red Hood. And yeah, it's a pretty violent member of the Bat family.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, most definitely.
SPEAKER_00I guess I'm gonna have to skip town now.
SPEAKER_03You might have to skip town.
SPEAKER_00Well, you know, the Red Hood would still track me.
SPEAKER_03You can't get away. Oh, Chucky Darns, you can't get away now. Oh well. Zooks. Oh man.
SPEAKER_00Anyways, um boy. No. This is going to be a fun time.
SPEAKER_03This will definitely be a fun time. A lot longer than the regular runtimes of the previous episodes that we've been recording. Around like 45 minutes.
SPEAKER_00A lot longer than the 22 minutes we're used to watching.
SPEAKER_03Yes, it'll be like watching two episodes at a time, which we never do that. So this will definitely be an interesting take for us and to see how we go through moving on and everything.
SPEAKER_00Right. I think before we get into watching the episode, um wanna touch up on, you know, like we did at the start with on What a Night for a Night.
SPEAKER_01Yep.
SPEAKER_00You know, we went over the voice cast of Scooby-Doo.
SPEAKER_01Yep.
SPEAKER_00While the episode that is involved with this episode is taking place on stuff we've already covered. Right. It's not the same voice casts.
SPEAKER_03Almost well, I mean it's almost the same voice.
SPEAKER_00I mean, there are some it's like one quarter of the Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Right. I mean there's still some that are in bud.
SPEAKER_00So, you know, gonna go over just a quick run through. We still have Frank Welker as the voice of Fred.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_00And he has now 100% taken over the role of Scooby. Yep. Uh definitely after Scott I Scott Aynes voicely briefed Scooby for some projects.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_00After Don Messicks passing away.
SPEAKER_01Right. Yep.
SPEAKER_00We've got Gray Griffin as the voice of Daphne, who has essentially been the voice of Daphne since I want to say 2001 with Scooby-Doo and the Cyber Chase.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that sounds about right there.
SPEAKER_00You know, she's gone to work with all of the best Scooby-Doo voice casts through her time. We've got Matthew Lillard reprising the role of Shaggy from his stint as Shaggy in the live-action theatrical films. Yep. And taking over the role for Casey Kasum in the early 2010s with Scooby-Doo Mystery Incorporated. Yep. And finishing off the cast of the Scooby Gain, we've got Kate Makuchi as the voice of Velma. Yep. Who I think I think she started voicing Velma in 2015. Maybe 2014.
SPEAKER_01I don't know.
SPEAKER_00I know it was with a direct-to-video movie.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_00And her first main series as Velma was Be Cool Scooby-Doo. Right. And while I don't think she's as terrible as the voice of Velma.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00She in my she does feel like she's probably the weakest of the cast members.
SPEAKER_03I agree with that one.
SPEAKER_00Part of it is, you know the rest of them had been voicing them for years at this point.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Really have those character mannerisms down. But I also think Velma as a character in these later years has been very difficult to get the writing down for.
SPEAKER_03It is definitely differ.
SPEAKER_00She's either written to be too know-it-all-y.
SPEAKER_03Yes, that is definitely true.
SPEAKER_00Or there is more of a focus on the Shag and Scoob antics going on.
SPEAKER_03Oh yeah. Yeah. She becomes like jealous or whatever. That's like fairly weird. I'm like, I don't I don't understand any of that. I don't know.
SPEAKER_00And like and some of that writing was goes back to even like when Mindy Cohn was still voicing Velma.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00It's I think a lot of it is the writing.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_00And an actor can only do so much with what they're given.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Yep.
SPEAKER_00But we will you know, we can table that discussion and ranking of her performance on a later date for when we get to the series where she's more around.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_00You know, and then on the supernatural end, it's I don't know the actors' names.
SPEAKER_03What, you mean like the actors uh from the show?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, who voice their respective characters for the animated segments.
SPEAKER_03Okay, alright. I I got this one then. We'll do this. No, because you're the expert. I'm the expert. In Supernatural, I am the expert. Alright. So of course we have the main characters. We have Jensen Achoes playing the role of Dean Winchester, and then we have Jared Padlackey, who voices Sam Winchester, and then we have Misha Collins, who voices Castillo.
SPEAKER_00Who's Castillo?
SPEAKER_03He's an angel of the Lord. Okay. So yeah, just quick.
SPEAKER_00I don't know these things. I'm new to this.
SPEAKER_03Well, lucky you have me to be your guide.
SPEAKER_00Yes, and you know, and um yeah, it um we'll be able to talk more on my thoughts and feelings on the episode after we go ahead and watch it. Right. Because I think one, I think you'll be interested in hearing my thoughts and feelings due to the fact that, you know, I I myself would say I'm completely outside of this fan base right here. It's like I've seen this episode because obviously, by its title, Scooby Natural, it involves Scooby-Doo. Right. I'm a huge Scooby fan. So obviously, I you know, I watched it for that end. Right. So yeah, I think it'll be interesting afterwards, you know, giving my take on my thoughts. Yep. And if how I think this does as a potential episode of bringing people into this franchise? Yeah. Yep. Which you will then be able to either confirm or tell me I'm an idiot.
SPEAKER_02You're an idiot.
SPEAKER_00No, you're supposed to tell me that after we watch it.
SPEAKER_02Well, let's wait and see.
SPEAKER_00So we're gonna go ahead and watch this episode.
SPEAKER_03Awesome.
SPEAKER_00You guys should be able to should be able to watch the episode. Yes. The entire series of Supernatural I know is available on physical media. Oh, yes.
SPEAKER_03It's expensive. Depending on how you buy it, it could be expensive. Yes, like you said, it's on physical media. It's also on Prime Video and Peacock. Those are the two. Oh, it is on Peacock now? It is on P It was on release both of them at the same time. Okay. So those are the two. If you have those streaming platforms, you can definitely watch it and find that episode and watch it with us.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_03It would definitely work.
SPEAKER_00I didn't know it was uh brought on to I knew that it had left Netflix.
SPEAKER_03Yes, it left Netflix. But yeah, it wasn't.
SPEAKER_00I didn't know that it was already on Peacock. Right.
SPEAKER_03Well, I mean, honestly, I'm surprised it didn't go to HBO Max because that's Warner Brothers. I don't know why. Yeah, that's that's where I was a little surprised that it because they'd have more freedom with that because it's Warner Brothers versus you know Prime. Well, I know Prime you could buy it off of back then before they put it on there, but it I mean, I used I watched it on TV when it first came out, I watched it on TNT after it was done. You know, it's just reruns, they do a loop through all the seasons, and then when the season's done, it would loop way right back to season one. So you got a refresher, and I think that's where we'll leave it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And I will say I will say this that if you have the means to watch this on physical media, that from my understanding, that is the best way to watch it. Yes, they're definitely the best way to watch it. Because from what you have told me, what my co-worker Matt has mentioned to me, okay, that on the streaming platforms, certain sound changes are altered. Yep. Uh which I can understand because you know, when you have to license music, you know, streaming affects how the that license works.
SPEAKER_03Right. Yep. That's kind of what I thought too. They didn't have the license or couldn't get the license, so they had to change it with honestly. That kind of ruins the experience of the episode because you need that certain the music you need is the one that was when it aired on TV or on TNT. They still had it right on TNT. So that ruins it when it doesn't have that that song with it. I mean, honestly, it it ruins it. I mean, it just it messes up the whole part of the episode. You need that music with the episode.
SPEAKER_00Yep. You know, so gotta love how all that licensing work goes and oh I know.
SPEAKER_03You gotta love that, huh?
SPEAKER_00You know, and how all those contracts get written up because I'm pretty positive that that's one of the reasons why we never got something like the Scooby-Doo project on physical media is because of how the contracts for the act the actors' voice work was handled.
SPEAKER_03Right. Yeah, I definitely agree on that one.
SPEAKER_00But we're gonna go search for some clues watching the episode, and we will be right back. And we're back. That was Scooby Natural.
SPEAKER_03Yep, definitely was.
SPEAKER_00And boy, that episode is a trip.
SPEAKER_03It definitely is but in a good way. It's a good trip. It has to be in a good way. Yep.
SPEAKER_00It's it's amazing that they were able to take a show that's live action primarily. Right. And then you'd be the better judge on this, but I think it was adapted well into the cartoon format.
SPEAKER_03I I think it was pretty well adapted into it, like with the characters, you know, Scooby Gang, but then also throwing a new twist and putting the boys in there, you know, I think they you know, I think they did really well in putting them together. You know, I think it's a pretty good, you know, a new a different look at the original episode, you know, different, like you said, different cartoon animation, but also a different look more into the supernatural side of it.
SPEAKER_00So Yeah, and I think just having the Winchesters and Castel there changing up the group dynamics.
SPEAKER_03It definitely did. More ways.
SPEAKER_00Made it a refreshing change of pace.
SPEAKER_03Yep.
SPEAKER_00You know, I think that's why, you know, the new Scooby movies in the 70s with, you know, all the guest stars there worked so well. It's like they had more characters more or less for the rest of the game to play off of, mix up the troops. But before we go too much further, why don't we go ahead and take this from the top?
SPEAKER_03Yep, we'll take it from the top.
SPEAKER_00This is gonna be this is either going to be a very short, condensed play-by-play, or it's gonna be very long drawn out.
SPEAKER_03It could be long drawn out, we'll see how it goes here when we first start off.
SPEAKER_00So we open up with Dean fighting a dinosaur.
SPEAKER_03That is the weirdest thing. A stuffed dinosaur. A stuffed dinosaur.
SPEAKER_00You know, he's fighting the dinosaur, eventually, you know, gets to a point where he pours some holy oil on it, they light it on fire.
SPEAKER_03Light it on fire, yep.
SPEAKER_00And then poof, raining stuffing.
SPEAKER_02Raining stuffing. Yep.
SPEAKER_00You know, you know, they're in a pawn shop, and the owner of the pawn shop, you know, says that you know they could have anything they want as a reward while the pawn shop's business neighbor Jay shows up to you know, see what the commotion was or whatnot. Yep. Sam mentions to Dean how something doesn't sit right, maybe they should do some more investigating.
SPEAKER_02Yep.
SPEAKER_00When Jay just kind of suddenly appears out of nowhere, kind of creepily.
SPEAKER_03Yes, definitely.
SPEAKER_00You know, because that's not suspicious at all.
SPEAKER_03No, it's definitely not. I don't know if that's standard and a supernatural thing, but yeah, kind of a stem for them to just pop up, but he's human, he's not a demon. Technically, demons pop up like that. That's really not a human thing, but you know.
SPEAKER_00You know. You know. So yeah, he asks, you know, if there's anything, you know that they want.
SPEAKER_03Anything they want in his pawn shop, anything at all.
SPEAKER_00So, you know, they take a nice big TV.
SPEAKER_03Yep.
SPEAKER_00And they take it back to the place that they're kind of they're in the bunker.
SPEAKER_03Yes. That is where they are, and it's the TV is put in the Dean Cave. Okay. Because he makes up the Dean Cave in an earlier episode.
SPEAKER_00Now the fortress of Dean ato?
SPEAKER_03Oh, no, it's called the Dean Cave.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_00You know, they get the TV all hooked up, and all of a sudden there's some flashing purple lights.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's weird.
SPEAKER_00And you know, next thing you know, is they're inside the TV as cartoon characters.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that is really weird. That is I never would have thought I would have gone that far and actually been put into a cartoon. You know? It's just so weird.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_03I mean, they're mar they're surprised at the idea that they're in a cartoon. I mean, they never would have expected that.
SPEAKER_00To the point where I don't remember which one of them is freaking out. Is it Sam? One of them's freaking out, and then the other one slaps them in the face and it leaves the handprint.
SPEAKER_03Dean slaps Sam. Okay. There's a big, big handprint on his face, side of his face.
SPEAKER_00You know, that's how you know you're in a cartoon.
SPEAKER_03Most definitely.
SPEAKER_00And conveniently, especially as we'll find out later.
SPEAKER_03Yep.
SPEAKER_00The impala is with them.
SPEAKER_03Well, of course it would be. Why wouldn't it be there with them? That would that would make sense.
SPEAKER_00Because the car wasn't in the Dean cave with them.
SPEAKER_03No, but like you said, the keys were in his pocket. So maybe that makes that move with them too. I mean, I don't know how that worked, but apparently it makes it Scooby logic. It doesn't have to make sense.
SPEAKER_00But this is now we're in supernatural logic.
SPEAKER_03Why no?
SPEAKER_00I don't know how well that's supposed to make sense.
SPEAKER_03It's Scooby natural logic. Well, that's what it is. Okay.
SPEAKER_00They drive to a malt shop.
SPEAKER_03Yep.
SPEAKER_00When you know Dean notices the nice micro van they are parked next to with its green and blue paint job with its orange flowers.
SPEAKER_03Gee, I wonder what that could be. Yeah. I've never heard of this micro van before. What are we talking about?
SPEAKER_00Yeah. They go inside the malt shop and, you know, quick pan over the scenery, and you know, you see the Scooby-Gane dancing by the jukebox while Scooby's at the booth drinking milkshakes.
SPEAKER_03Milkshakes, yeah.
SPEAKER_00And yep. They are in Scooby-Doo.
SPEAKER_03They're not just in any cartoon, they're in Scooby-Doo.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. You know, the one cartoon was a talking dog.
SPEAKER_03Yep.
SPEAKER_00Not a talking dog, but the talking dog. You know, they're role models.
SPEAKER_03They definitely are role models. Except for Fred. He's a little Yeah, Fred's a wad. He's a wad. What do you have against Fred?
SPEAKER_00Oh, the stupid ascot.
SPEAKER_02Right?
SPEAKER_00His can-do attitude. He's a wad.
SPEAKER_02He's a wad, yep.
SPEAKER_00Daphne's just settling for him.
SPEAKER_02Oh, of course.
SPEAKER_00I mean, anybody could tell you that.
SPEAKER_02She can barely do way better.
SPEAKER_00This, you know, they ask them after the Scooby-Gain is sitting at the booth Scooby's at if they can join them.
SPEAKER_03Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_00That it looks like they're celebrating something.
SPEAKER_03Whatever could that be?
SPEAKER_00Well, it turns out that Scooby saved a guy from drowning in a fish pond. And he's being honored in his will.
SPEAKER_03Yep.
SPEAKER_00Because the guy did die.
SPEAKER_03Of cancer.
SPEAKER_00Yes, from cancer.
SPEAKER_03So we apparently have added something new that we didn't know was an option. We didn't know how he died.
SPEAKER_00They have to go to the mansion for the will reading, which means road food, which equals giant sandwiches.
SPEAKER_03Look how big someone's mouth is.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, Cheey and Scooby make their big sandwiches, and Dean goes ahead and joins them.
SPEAKER_03He makes a big snake.
SPEAKER_00I'm assuming there's probably a running joke in the series of Dean like to eat food.
SPEAKER_03Yep. He loves to eat food. All the diners, all that stuff. Maybe it came from the malt shop. Maybe his love came from that from the show, which he said. Maybe he watched it a lot as a kid. You know, maybe that's where he. Love from diner food, you know. I mean greasy food, whatnot.
SPEAKER_00So you know, they're you know, they get in their vehicles to drive to the mansion.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. And hence the word drive. We're driving to the mansion, which before we were on a boat to the mansion. So how does that they must have been something? Well, they probably had to do it with baby because baby was on the they must have had to do something with that.
SPEAKER_00It is but you know, like some of the differences like between this episode and the original Night Up Right is No Delight is in the original episode from 1969, right? You know, the mansion was on a island that was just a hill with a house on it. A house that they had to take them out. Here it's not on an island, there's no water, it's a hill just off a creepy road, I guess.
SPEAKER_03Pretty much something like that. Yeah, that sounds about right.
SPEAKER_00But you know, we've got the mystery machine and the impala at a stoplight right next to each other.
SPEAKER_03Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_00Which means Dray Grace.
SPEAKER_03It definitely does.
SPEAKER_00Now a 67 Impala versus a 60s micro van.
SPEAKER_03Yep.
SPEAKER_00You know, we've got van versus muscle car.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Yep.
SPEAKER_00So if you think the mystery machine wins this, like you guys must be some sort of like car expert or something.
SPEAKER_03You must have seen this episode previously before we watched this.
SPEAKER_00Because for somehow, the aerodynamic perfectness of the Impala loses to a van.
SPEAKER_03Well, you saw it was sabotaged. You saw Dean and Sam get smoked out by the micro van. They couldn't see what they were doing. So they're blinded while they couldn't even race. So it's sabotage, I tell you. It is the game turned as a wad. It's sabotage. All right.
SPEAKER_00As they start driving off, we see a mysterious figure.
SPEAKER_03Mystery guest number one. I wonder who it could be. What's that with that lovely trench coat? Maybe in a trench coat. You supernatural fans will know what I'm talking about. Maybe in a trench coat.
SPEAKER_00We go to the mansion where the will reading is being done, where it was, again, read aloud through a record.
SPEAKER_03Okay. Classic vinyl. Yes.
SPEAKER_00You know, same stipulations as in the original episode.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_00You know, the you know, the five people are set to inherit, you know, fortune. Yep, a million dollars.
SPEAKER_03Million dollar fortune.
SPEAKER_00You know, divided equally, whoever you know, they have to stay the night in a haunted house. Whoever leaves.
SPEAKER_03Haunted. Yes.
SPEAKER_00Yes, the place is haunted.
SPEAKER_03Oh no. How is that possible?
SPEAKER_00Ghosts.
SPEAKER_03What does a ghost die?
SPEAKER_00You know, whoever leaves loses their share of the fortune.
SPEAKER_03Or dies. Whichever one comes first, or captured, however you want to say it. Kidnapped?
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_03Rognapped.
SPEAKER_00And so Sam questions the legality. Of course. But why would he?
SPEAKER_03That's how Sam is. He he will do that in a heartbeat.
SPEAKER_00And yeah, actually, I'm kind of curious of the legality of doing something like this.
SPEAKER_03Nowadays.
SPEAKER_00They may still uh wrench in the plans of you know giving somebody a million dollars of monopoly money. Right.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that too. I mean, it isn't actual money, so technically it might be considered okay since they're not getting paid technically.
SPEAKER_00You know, you know they all you know go off to separate rooms. It's 10 o'clock, it's time to turn in.
SPEAKER_03Apparently, somehow.
SPEAKER_00You know, Dean wants uh room with Daphne, but of course Daphne shuts him down. Boys and girls don't share rooms.
SPEAKER_03I don't know, it's this late 60s. They don't share a room.
SPEAKER_00So, you know, Fred tells him that he can bunk with him, slugger.
SPEAKER_03Oh god. They all share the same room. That's gonna be a really big room if they all share the same room. And it wasn't that big an action.
SPEAKER_00Yep. We see Sam in, you know, nice pajamas. Yep. When Dean comes in in a sleeping row rope, which is like being wrapped in a hug.
SPEAKER_03It is like being wrapped in a hug, apparently.
SPEAKER_00Uh-huh. You know, we get kind of a short bit in Daphne and Velma's room. Yep. Where we get a hint of Velma kind of crushing on Sam.
SPEAKER_03Yep. Those shoulders are those shoulders.
SPEAKER_00I don't know how necessary that particular scene really was. But we got it.
SPEAKER_03Yep, we definitely did.
SPEAKER_00You know, we then go to Cousin Simple's room when the Phantom Shadow shows up, but unlike in the original episode, this time it has a knife.
SPEAKER_01Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00And when Dean mentions to Sam how soon, you know, they'll find Cousin Simple and you know They won't find him, he'll be missing. Well, you know, they get the scream, they go to Cousin Simple's room, and this time instead of a missing body, there's a dead body with blood.
SPEAKER_03With blood. Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00So yeah, things are definitely different in this episode. Yeah, they're a bit more real this time.
SPEAKER_03A bit more real. Yep. Definitely a supernatural twist to the episode. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So you know, the Scooby Gang are then talking in the living room area, parlor.
SPEAKER_03Whatever you want to call it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00You know, when there's a mysterious shadow outside the window. Oh, it comes in and they wrap it up in a curtain. And it turns out to be Castiel. That's our mystery guest? Yes. He is quickly introduced to the Scooby-Gane. Yep. And a talking dog.
SPEAKER_03Yep. This dog is talking.
SPEAKER_00They wander around, run into a shadow, the Phantom Shadow.
SPEAKER_03The Phantom Shadow.
SPEAKER_00Where after he gets away, they go to the room he came out of and they find the lawyer beheaded.
SPEAKER_03Hmm. That doesn't sound very logical. That doesn't sound very it's like he wasn't supposed to be down like that. They really switch stuff up in this one.
SPEAKER_00Yep. So they decide Fred makes the dumb decision of splitting up.
SPEAKER_03No, they shouldn't split up.
SPEAKER_00But it's hard for Sam and Dean and Castell to protect them if they're all split up.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_00So we end up with the following groups of people.
SPEAKER_03Yep, we do.
SPEAKER_00We get Fred, Daphne, and Dean as one group.
SPEAKER_03One group.
SPEAKER_00Velma and Sam as another. Yep. And then Shady, Scooby, and Cassio as the last one.
SPEAKER_01The last one.
SPEAKER_00And I enjoyed the pairings as somebody who doesn't have much connection to the supernatural characters. Right. In your opinion, how do you think the pairings worked out?
SPEAKER_03I mean, I I think the pairings worked really well. I mean, I think they did a good job. I mean, obviously, you know, Dean would try to go with Daphne, you know. I mean, I I didn't know how Sam would pan out or, you know, who he would team up with, but I kind of knew with how Castel is, I kind of knew they probably were gonna pair him off with Shaggy and Scooby, you know, so it's like, where do you put Sam? How does but then putting him with Velma, who they both have the same smarts and everything, you know, Sam is probably just as smart as Velma.
SPEAKER_00It probably helps that Castel is Sam and Dean's talking dog.
SPEAKER_03It probably does help, doesn't it?
SPEAKER_00The first group we follow is Velma and Sam. Yep. Sam tries to convince Velma that there are real ghosts. He and Dean have saved the world countless times. Yep. A lot. Velma being Velma doesn't believe him.
SPEAKER_03Of course not. Why would why would she believe that?
SPEAKER_00And while they are searching the attic, they find a chest of toys.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_00Which is the only thing not covered in dust, but Sam notices ectoplasm.
SPEAKER_03Ectoplasm, yep.
SPEAKER_00The toys then kind of float up after Velma goes off on the there's no such thing as real ghosts.
SPEAKER_03Of course. The ghost had to show her what's real. You antagonized it. She's an antagonizer. She is. She definitely with her glasses on the room.
SPEAKER_00We cut to Fred Daff and Dean searching in a library in which Dean points out that there is one book that is not painted into the background of a library.
SPEAKER_03Right, definitely. That would, I mean, what there's only like one reason why it would look like that, because it's a secret passageway. But not the way you would think it's a secret passageway.
SPEAKER_00Which I believe was originally the piano trapdoor.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_00Because that's not in this episode at all.
SPEAKER_03It's not, but that is right. I mean, that would have been cooler if that and still.
SPEAKER_00They end up going down a slide. They land in a pile. Dean thinks he's getting cozy up with Daphne when it turns out to be the ghost. Yep, the phantom shadow.
SPEAKER_03The Phantom Shadow. And he freaks out that it's not Daphne.
SPEAKER_00We cut to Shaggy Scooby and Cassio sneaking through a hallway when all of a sudden, just out of nowhere, the ghost is behind them.
SPEAKER_03The ghost is behind them with corny music in the background.
SPEAKER_00Yep. Which then cues to just a great, fantastic musical chase scene. Yep. Set to the original Scooby-Doo theme song.
SPEAKER_03Yep. Definitely perfect there. Cool.
SPEAKER_00In which, you know, it covers all of the running around tropes, including specifically the Scooby-Dooby Doors.
SPEAKER_03Yep, the Scooby-Dooby Doors, yeah, kind of.
SPEAKER_00And where we get a brilliant Easter egg of Scrappy-Doo Scrappy Doo showing up during the during that segment. Which I think is just kind of perfect.
SPEAKER_03Perfect. That was a cool Easter egg to find. It almost definitely was.
SPEAKER_00Basically they end up kind of trapped in a room.
SPEAKER_01Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00Ghost is ghosting. It you know, tosses Fred off to the side. It's got it picks up Daphne and Velma after tosses Shaggy out a window.
SPEAKER_03Yikes.
SPEAKER_00Sam and Dean pick up some iron candlestick holders.
SPEAKER_03Yep.
SPEAKER_00That hurt the ghost. Ghost goes away.
SPEAKER_03Yep.
SPEAKER_00Find Shaggy on an out an external drain pipe.
SPEAKER_03Just like he was in the original episode.
SPEAKER_00But he falls. Uh Scooby jumps out the window to try to get him. In which Cassial jumps out to get Scooby.
SPEAKER_03Yep.
SPEAKER_00Slows the fall down. Right. But Shagey still manages to break his arm.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, you definitely hear that painful crack of the arm.
SPEAKER_00That's definitely the realistic.
SPEAKER_03You definitely hear that and you're like, ooh. You know.
SPEAKER_00It's at that point where you know it's not Dean is convinced that they have to tell them the truth, that they are not that they are cartoon characters, but that there are real ghosts.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_00In which everybody just has an extassenal breakdown.
SPEAKER_03They all have a crisis on their own.
SPEAKER_00You know. Velma's concerned how everything she knows is a lie. Fred believes he wasted his life because instead instead of stopping real estate scams, he could have been hunting down Dracula's.
SPEAKER_03And Velma thought she was blind even with her glasses.
SPEAKER_00Daphne's convinced she's going to hell. Daphne, what did you do that you feel like you're going to hell?
SPEAKER_03Well, and Shaggy gets all upset that did you guys listen to us? We still jump like every time.
SPEAKER_02School without pull junk.
SPEAKER_03But did you listen? No. No, of course not. They all have their own crisis. Like they all freak out in their own way. It's like, oh god. Oh god.
SPEAKER_00Now it's a matter of like, well, they have no methods of fighting ghosts.
SPEAKER_03No, they do not.
SPEAKER_00But how convenient was it that the ghost pulled the impala in? Because in the trunk of the impala is all of their ghost hunting weapons. Definitely.
SPEAKER_03All of them.
SPEAKER_00Sam wants to give Velma a shotgun, which is a Scooby-Dooby don't.
SPEAKER_02Scooby-Doobie don't. Yep, definitely not.
SPEAKER_00You know. And basically they do what they do best. Fred builds a trap.
SPEAKER_03Fred builds a trap. He certainly does. Which is a really good trap, by the way. It actually is a Yes. Minus the coconuts, of course.
SPEAKER_00Essentially the trap the trap is essentially what we get in the original episode. Yep. Just a couple minor tweaks. It's in a much larger area. All of the entrances to the room minus one are cut are lined with salt.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Because real ghosts can't penetrate salt.
SPEAKER_03Nope. They can't penetrate a salt line. Nope. They're stuck in it. Or there's they're stuck in it or they're stuck out of it. They can't get in or they can't get out. So they're stuck essentially.
SPEAKER_00You know, then they've got a line of suds leading to a spring-loaded ironing board to launch the ghost into a washing machine that is wrapped in chains.
SPEAKER_03Yep.
SPEAKER_00Iron chains.
SPEAKER_03Iron chains. You need that.
SPEAKER_00There is an iron chain on the one entrance to the room, not lined with salt, that the ghost will trip over. More or less. More or less. Which will trigger an axe to cut a rope that will release a nut full of coconuts.
SPEAKER_03Yep.
SPEAKER_00And which then the ghost will slip into the suds.
SPEAKER_03Yep.
SPEAKER_00But they need bait for the trap.
SPEAKER_03Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_00And this time it's Shaggy, Scooby, and Castel who are the baits. In which they manage to not trigger the trap. The ghost does chase them, the ghost does trigger the trap. However, Fred forgot something vitally important about ghosts.
SPEAKER_03What? And what did he forget?
SPEAKER_00They're intangible. The coconuts go right through the ghosts.
SPEAKER_03They go right to the ghost.
SPEAKER_00Causing Shaggy, Scooby, and Castel to trip on the coconuts into the suds. Into the suds. Into the washing machine.
SPEAKER_03Yep.
SPEAKER_00Luckily, it was either Sam or Dean who had the foresight of the backfiring that they had plan B for Operation Bookworm.
SPEAKER_03That was Dean. He told Daphne it was Operation Bookworm.
SPEAKER_00So it was Dean. But was it his idea or was it Sam's idea for the plan B?
SPEAKER_03I don't know, but Dean's the one who said it. So let's think it is that, but I don't know. I don't know. It wasn't mentioned who made the plan, but at least they had a plan B.
SPEAKER_00Basically, they end up tricking the ghost into going into the library, standing on the spot where the trapdoor is. Yep. Scooby triggers the trapdoor and it drops the ghost into a salt circle.
SPEAKER_01Yep.
SPEAKER_00It is there where, you know, Sam and Dean find out that it's just the ghost of a little boy.
SPEAKER_01Little boy.
SPEAKER_00That his spirit's trapped in a pocket knife his dad gave him.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_00How this big bad man named Jay basically took the pocket knife and was having him cause these troubles. Because sometimes he gets angry. Right.
SPEAKER_03Yep.
SPEAKER_00And you know, Mystery Inc. is fully prepared to get rid of the ghost.
SPEAKER_03Yes, they are. Surprising. And yep.
SPEAKER_00Dean realizes like, no, we have to fix this. Because we can't leave these guys like that.
SPEAKER_03No, they can't.
SPEAKER_00Convinces the ghost boy to pretend to be the lawyer.
SPEAKER_03Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00So they could do the classic Scooby reveals.
SPEAKER_03Yep. Mm-hmm. Which is very smart on Dean's part to say, hey, we gotta we gotta change it up, and they ask the kid for a favor. As you see him come out, he's actually the lawyer.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_03Who would have known? Who would have guessed it?
SPEAKER_00You know, it's revealed that the fortune Scooby would have gotten his fake money.
SPEAKER_03That's bogus.
SPEAKER_00Yep. Scooby's not too shaken up about it. Easy come, easy go. You know, they're going back to the malt shop to celebrate. You know, Dean says goodbye to Daphne.
SPEAKER_03Yep. Yep.
SPEAKER_00Velma kisses Sam.
SPEAKER_03Shouldn't have known Velma was ready. She was prepared, apparently.
SPEAKER_00It's always the quiet ones.
SPEAKER_03It's always the quiet one. Yep. Mm-hmm. Definitely.
SPEAKER_00You know, Cassial tells Shaggy and Scooby he thanks them for their wise wisdom.
SPEAKER_03In the face of fear. What? Yeah. In danger.
SPEAKER_00And so they then leave the TV. Yep. They destroy the pocket knife, releasing the spirit of the ghost boy.
SPEAKER_01Yep.
SPEAKER_00You know, we then go back to the pawn shop where the pawn shop owner is about to sign over his land to Jay. To Jay. In which we see in the display case a little Easter egg. Little Easter egg of the mystery machine.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that was an awesome find.
SPEAKER_00Yes, it was.
SPEAKER_03And Easter egg number two.
SPEAKER_00Yes. Right before the pawn shop owner is about to finish signing, Sam, Dean, and Castel come in with Dean wearing an ascot. An ascot. Pretty much they lay out that, you know, yeah, you were basically doing a Scooby-Doo-esque real estate scam.
SPEAKER_03Yep.
SPEAKER_00But obviously, because we live in a world where there are real ghosts and everything, and yeah, it's probably not going to be able to convict you. No. But we were able to look at your tax records and everything.
SPEAKER_01Yep.
SPEAKER_00And if it was good enough to book Al Capone, it's good enough for him.
SPEAKER_03Yep, that's right.
SPEAKER_00So, you know, Jay gets arrested.
SPEAKER_03Yep.
SPEAKER_00He says he would have gotten away with it if it weren't for those meddling kids.
SPEAKER_03He said the line.
SPEAKER_00We then start fading into the circle ends on, you know, the circle around Dean's face where he says Scooby-dooby-doo. Yep. And where we should have been done. It's then pointed out by Sam that he's not a talking dog. It's not a cartoon.
SPEAKER_03It's not a cartoon. What are you doing?
SPEAKER_00And that is the end of the episode.
SPEAKER_03Yes, it definitely is the end of the episode. That oh man, that was definitely a good one to throw in there. I mean, they did such an amazing job with it. After all these years, they could have easily did it and got it done. You know, it's just so interesting.
SPEAKER_00It is. And I will say this. You know, this being like the only real episode of Supernatural I've ever watched.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Like for the moment. Yes. I have seen like pits and pieces of stuff like one that you've had on when I've come over or you know. But it's not like those were full episodes or anything.
SPEAKER_03Right, no, you came in at a different part or halfway through or less at the end.
SPEAKER_00That I do think I think this is a nice if if you're a person who knows, you know, at least what I knew about Supernatural, going in and you're a bit curious as to like what it's like. It's I think this is a good episode. Like is it to start in it's self-contained.
SPEAKER_03Right. Yep.
SPEAKER_00You know, it's supernatural being a show that ran for 15 seasons on the CW. It's like I don't know how more cohesive other episodes are. Like out, like if it's like, oh, if I miss this episode, this one won't make sense.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, there is that definitely a thing.
SPEAKER_00It's like here, it's like it's self-contained.
SPEAKER_03It's like you don't have to watch the series to this episode.
SPEAKER_00I don't think episode 15 of season 13 set up the giant dinosaur platform.
SPEAKER_03It did not set that up. Nope. That's definitely in its own thing. So I think definitely there.
SPEAKER_00I do think that this is a nice self-contained episode. It's like if you are on the fence of starting this series, you know, try this. Like it's probably very different from a lot of the rest of the series.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_00But I think it probably still has enough of the same nuances to be a good fit. Right. It's interesting that this is the Scooby episode they took.
SPEAKER_03Right. Um the whole series is.
SPEAKER_00Because, you know, the original episode it didn't have the door sequence. It didn't have it.
SPEAKER_03Nope, definitely.
SPEAKER_00You know, it didn't have the musical chase number or anything. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03But they made it work.
SPEAKER_00They threw it in.
SPEAKER_03They didn't know it was a perfect fit for this for the sh for the episode.
SPEAKER_00And it's like, I don't know if there are very many other episodes I could have picked.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_00Because, you know, you've got the haunted house, which is just like a classic look, you know, setting. And like the this one had actual other people around that could be in danger. Right. Yep. Out of all of the sixteen episodes of Scooby-Doo that we've watched, for the most part, they're always on their own.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_00That I think the only other episode that could have possibly worked but even then would have had to do a major, major retooling.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_00Is what the heck's going on. Cause that's the only episode where there isn't like another actual like person around with them.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_00That would have been in actual danger. Right.
SPEAKER_03Yep.
SPEAKER_00And yeah, I don't think anything going forward from here would have worked.
SPEAKER_03No, I don't think so.
SPEAKER_00As well.
SPEAKER_03Yep.
SPEAKER_00And yeah, I I think sticking to the original Scooby-Doo Where Are You was probably the best call.
unknownYep.
SPEAKER_00But no, it was a very enjoyable episode.
SPEAKER_03I definitely agree on that one.
SPEAKER_00Now that we are done with recording this episode for the podcast, you know, I will feel better now starting watching Through Supernatural.
SPEAKER_03Welcome on that one. You definitely have the right way to watch it. Yeah. Yes.
SPEAKER_00Um you know, because yeah, I was never against watching it. Right. You just never. But it's like, okay, I knew I want I knew I wanted to cover this episode for the podcast.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_00And I thought it would be better going in with what I know without more background context.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_00Cause it's like, who knows? You know, maybe there are some people that are listening who haven't watched Supernatural and are curious.
unknownYep.
SPEAKER_00You know, and you know, Supernatural is a big part of, you know, your fandoms and Yes, it's definitely a big part of it.
SPEAKER_03I agree.
SPEAKER_00And yeah, not sure how you got started in on this wild, crazy show.
SPEAKER_03Oh man, I've I'm a trooper. I've watched this show since it came out in 2005. You know, kudos to my father, Mark. He watched the episodes with me, you know, every single one from 2005 up to 2020. You know, we watched every single one of them, whether it was on Monday night, Tuesday night, Wednesday night, Thursday night, it might have even been Friday night. Twas every uh for a while it was like every day of the week. First seasons they were at least on there, but we watched every single show together, and when this season came out, that new season came out, dad would early years dad would always buy them, bring them home, you know, and we'd always go to special features. Cause as a supernatural fan, you guys all know that at the end of every season, there's the gag reel. So we watched the gag reels, just a whole bunch of bloopers and all that stuff, but how they mess up on stuff, but it's funny. We always got a good laugh out of that. You know, it was just I just loved having that time, and you know, it's definitely a memory of mine that I, you know, hold dear. I'm sad that that series has ended. You know, but there might be a chance that you know they'll come back, you know, but I'm still holding out for that.
SPEAKER_00So you know Yeah, it's always a shame when our favorite shows end.
SPEAKER_03Oh, it is definitely a shame. Definitely.
SPEAKER_00I will say, depending on how it ends, it can be better or worse. Like when it when it's when you know it's ending and they're actually able to write a satisfying conclusion, that's a lot better than when it's like in the middle of stuff going on, and it just gets abruptly canceled.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And there's no time to finish out storylines or anything. Yeah. So at least that had some benefit to it.
SPEAKER_03Right. Well, because the interesting what thing was the boys actually said that they were gonna let us know, let us, the fans, know when the series was series was gonna end. And I believe I think was that around season 13 or 14, they actually came on and and actually let us know that after season 15 the show was gonna be done. But we did they just wanted to mention it to us as they promised.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03You know, so I mean it was sad to hear that, but you know, we're glad that they were able to tell us in the way that they did.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03You know, so it's kind of kudos to the fans, you know, that they decided to do that and keep on their promise. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00You know. So you know. So wrapping up with our normal regular stuff, no Scooby snacks for the Scooby Snacky. You know.
SPEAKER_03Surprising that there wasn't any Scooby. You thought that may I mean maybe you thought I mean we have the classic sandwiches, sandwiches, the double decker sandwiches.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03You know, but no Scooby snack.
SPEAKER_00I mean, that doesn't Which does seem weird.
SPEAKER_03It does.
SPEAKER_00You know, but no.
SPEAKER_03Oh well.
SPEAKER_00You know, we're not gonna be adding this version of the Phantom Shadow to the Manifest of Monsters, no, or you know, this version of the washing machine trap to the trap list. You know, because one, I'm pretty sure we put the Phantom Shadows at number one.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I think we did. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So it's like I don't think this performance lowered it at all.
SPEAKER_03No, I definitely don't think so. It was very entertaining to see this trap, you know.
SPEAKER_00And yeah, even so, like this trap was like what, number two? Two or three. Because it's below the money pit, right? Yeah. But above the better mouse trap, right?
SPEAKER_02Yep, we that's where we put it through.
SPEAKER_00You know the trap statue, and like honestly, this trap is like less impressive because like there was no way it was gonna ever work.
SPEAKER_03It wasn't, but good try, guys.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03So the iron chain did work though. It burned his stomach. So that part did work. With that, it made the coconuts bow. But honestly, Fred, you should have chosen something else. You should have chosen something like iron, or it could have been like the cannonballs from the battery mouse trap. Oh, there you go. That would definitely be of assistance. I don't know why they would have picked that knowing that it's a ghost and you saw how the iron worked on the ghost from the candles.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. You know, you would think that in the Impala, Sam or Dean may have had like iron ball bearings.
SPEAKER_03I think I'm trying to think if they do. I know they have the salt gun show the s the shotguns have salt salt rounds in them.
SPEAKER_00That could have been but that's like even if like they don't normally carry like ball bearings of made out of iron or anything like as a one-off episode, like I could see them having it. Oh, right.
SPEAKER_03They were in the Apollo just for the sake of that episode.
SPEAKER_00Because of the conveniency of cartoons.
SPEAKER_03Right. Yeah, they could have magically pulled it out of the impala somehow.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So really, the only big real responsibility we have is how many Scooby Snacks does this bring to the table of snacks? Which I think we it's no different than the original episode. Like it's uh definitely a five. It's definitely a five. Because yeah, this takes everything that was that made a night of fright is no delight perfect, but adds the musical chase scene.
SPEAKER_03So it definitely brings it up to a five in it.
SPEAKER_00And it adds before it uses one of the best songs it could have used.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, definitely not a better instead of licensing a song for it or you know bringing an old song back. Yeah, or like writing something original for it. Like you took the classic Scooby-Doo theme song.
SPEAKER_03You could yeah, they couldn't have done it any better than how they did it, you know.
SPEAKER_00Which, yeah, from the early 2000s direct to video movies, um, you know, the ones from 98 to 2001, like those always had a musical chase sequence at the beginning with the Scooby theme song.
SPEAKER_03Right. They had a couple of them. Yes. One in the beginning, one in the end. You know, they at least had some sort of musical chase scene, which was awesome in that way. But you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I think that just about wraps up this mystery.
SPEAKER_03I think it does.
SPEAKER_00So we will be back next week with Scooby- back to Scooby-Doo. Where are you? Scooby-Doo watching the episode That's Snow Ghost.
SPEAKER_03That's Snow Ghost. That'll be a good one.
SPEAKER_00That will. We may have a special surprise for you listeners at the end.
SPEAKER_03I have one for you guys.
SPEAKER_00But until then, remember, they would have gotten away with it too.
SPEAKER_03If it weren't for those meddling kits.
SPEAKER_00Scooby-doo-by-doo!
SPEAKER_03Oh man.
