Which Witch is Which?

Grab your glasses and get ready to pay attention and find the difference as this week we watch the episode "Which Witch is Which?" Where do you find Swamp's End General Store? Just how unfair are the witch's voodoo dolls of Mystery Inc are? And who has big feet? All this and more await inside the Scooby Zone.

Transcript

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Hello, and welcome to the Scooby-Zone, the podcast where Big Bad and Bandaged is back as we watch a bit of Scooby-Doo Media. I'm Rob. And I'm Katie. And today we'll be watching Which Witch is Witch. Episode 13 of Scooby-Doo Where Are You? Lucky Number 13.

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Lucky Number 13.

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Witch and the Zombie.

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Definitely. Yeah, the witch and the zombie.

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What is the difference between a zombie and a mummy?

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I guess we'll find out.

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I think it's just clothes.

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How do you think about it?

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A zombie's a dead person. Or technically an undead person. And the mummy is a unit. A mummy is a dead person that's been mummified. That is true. And when it's walking around, it's an undead person that's been mummified. And it moved like a like a zombie did. Yeah.

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With their hand, you know, how they have their arm.

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So I think it's just a matter of bandages.

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It might be just a matter of the costume. Okay. We figured that one out. Okay. Alright.

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You know. There probably is no real difference. There might not be different. After they're probably going to be like, guys, if you do not send us an angry email detailing all the ways that that zombies and mummies are different, I'm going to be disappointed. You are not trying to rage bait you into giving us some fan mail.

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We need some fan mail. Why isn't anyone giving us any fan mail? We have been asking so many, and very nicely too, we've been asking and requesting. But now we're not getting any. They're making him over there upset. Come on, guys, stop making him mad. You don't want to see when he's you don't want to see him when he's angry, alright? So don't do that.

unknown 1:44

Right.

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You guys can go ahead and email us all of your rage bait comments on this to go by's own podcast at gmail.com. You know, you can leave a review. Yep. Something, please. Like, comment, subscribe, whatever on YouTube. Yes.

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Mm-hmm.

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You know. We look forward to all of it.

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Yes, we do. Uh-huh.

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Um. But yeah. Boy, episode 13. Dang, episode 13. We are just about done with you know, Scooby-Doo, where are you? Uh, I don't want to think about that.

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This is a good series to start everything off.

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I mean, I don't want to think about that. But look at the look at the next series. Guest stars, Galore.

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Uh, yeah, we're definitely gonna.

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Laurel and Hardy. Don Knotts. The Globetrotters. Don Knotz! Genie!

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Tim Conway. I could only use Don Knotts twice. He only appears in two episodes.

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That is true. That is true. Alright. Hmm.

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Sadly, I don't think we could get any of them on the podcast.

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No, sadly enough, I I guess not. That's not gonna not gonna go very well.

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I mean, I guess we could pester some actors who's played Batman.

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I I guess we could. I mean, one of them we can't, because you know, he's yeah, we can't get Adam West. Well, we also think we can't get Kevin Conroy.

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Or Val Kilmer.

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Sure. He was Batman. And uh Heath Ledger, we can't get him.

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He was the Joker. He doesn't count as Joker.

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Oh, he doesn't. Oh, sorry. We could get well, I don't know how much we gotta do it. We could get Mark Hamill, but I don't know how much we want to do that. I don't know how much to ask him without how how iconic he is. So but hey, if you're why if you're listening to us, Mark Hamill, then definitely hit us up and ask me in an episode. We'll definitely let you come on.

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There's Jensen Eccles voice Batman in a movie.

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Oh, that's right. So we could ask it was in two of them. The long, long Halloween. That is true. Um so okay, again, Jensen Eccles. If you're listening to our podcast, give us a shout out. Maybe we'll let you be on our podcast. But I don't know how that would work, but we'll definitely figure something out.

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You can guess on our podcast episode when we cover Scooby Naturals.

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Oh, there that would be perfect. I mean, come on, that would be a lot of fun.

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Or for a night of fright is no delight, and that would be really men of it.

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Yeah, that would definitely be interesting. That would be awesome. I mean, that'd be perfect to have him on there. I mean, to have both all three of them, yeah. I think that'd be even yeah, have no, we'll ask Jets to say, hey, let Jared and Misha be on it too, and they'll have a trio on it too. I mean, that's them just talking about how much I mean they'll probably talk about how much fun they had, because even just seeing them do the voicing over was just hilarious. I mean, it was just so funny watching them do the dialogue. I mean, they just had they had so much fun. It was just so hilarious watching them do it. I mean, just to see how they did it was just awesome. I mean, that'd be really that's gonna be a lot of fun to tackle when we get there.

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Right?

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I mean, things that probably aren't gonna happen, but we wish they would.

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Yep. But hey, that's only what after this 12 episodes away?

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Something like that.

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Yep.

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I think so.

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We'll be there before we know it.

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Yeah, we'll be there before we know it, I suppose. Alright.

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But until then, you guys. You know, we're still watching Scooby-Doo Where Are You? Yep. You can too. It's on DVD, Blu-ray.

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VHS.

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Yep.

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VHS.

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So far, still streaming on Tubi. Yep. At least while recording.

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While recording, yes.

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You know, don't hate us if that turns out to be different when this gets posted.

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Yeah, don't, because we're not, we don't have we don't help.

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We don't control Tubi. No, we don't. You know. If I had my way, all of them would be out.

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Every series would be released already. We would not have messed with that.

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There'd be no lost episodes. Even the stuff people don't seem to really be incredibly fond of, I'd still put out for you guys.

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Definitely would.

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Because there's still there will be collectors everywhere.

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Oh, yes, most definitely.

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But you know, we're gonna go ahead, split up, watch the episode, look for some clues, and we will be right back. And we're back. That was which witch is witch. And did we find out which witch was which witch?

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I know that there was only one witch. Well, technically two, but there was only one. Well, we know which one wasn't the right witch was the blue one wasn't the right, so we guess we did figure out which one wasn't the witch. I guess we figured that one out ourselves, huh?

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Yeah, that's that's a confusing name.

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That is a confusing name.

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It'd be different if there were like two witches, right?

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But the second one. Like you just switch a witch. Yeah, that's wishing, right?

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Boy, they come up across witches a lot, too.

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I noticed that. Yeah, what is their thing with witches? Ghosts. Ghosts. Hawking dogs and them too. Swinks. Sloinks. Cheapers, kinkies. Oh man, I forgot my own touch phrase. That was good. That was that'll be that'll be a later episode, guys. Sorry for spoiling it for you, but you know. Alright, let's get to it.

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Alright. The episode starts with a zombie in a boat in a swamp. Just randomly. It's a pretty ugly zombie.

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It is. It's double ugly.

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And it really does not look like many dead people I've ever seen.

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It doesn't, does it? Like they went pretty far with that design, didn't they?

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Yeah, but oh well.

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Oh well. Well, alright.

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We then see the mystery machine driving by. Their d mystery ink is driving back from a fishing trip that went bad. Guess nothing was biting that day. I guess not. They are taking a creepy shortcut through a spooky swamp. Which apparently Velma asked Shaggy where what's going on? Why is she why is Fred taking such?

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Why would you even ask Shaggy? Why how would he even know?

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What I want to know is, how does Fred know it's a shortcut? But this is the first time he's ever taken it. Right. Search me, but it's creepy. They decide they see a lantern on the side of the road being held by somebody. They like they figure, oh, we'll just ask him for directions.

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Right. What what what else won't she?

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You know, they pull over, Shaggy then asks, you know.

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By himself. He asks by himself.

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Yeah, we see nobody else in the mystery machine besides Shaggy.

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He must be really scared. Man, that's why he's also talking to the zombie to help him, because he doesn't know where his friends are for a split second.

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You know, asks, you know, which way back to the main road. Yep. The figure holds up the lantern and we see the zombie. We see the zombie. He got out of the swamp pretty quick.

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I know. Where did he put where'd he put the boat he was on? Where did he put that? He must have, he must have put it, brought it to shore, and then walked up. He must have seen the mystery machine coming and was like, oh crap, we have visitors coming.

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Yep. Uh Scooby is terrified enough that he hides in the bucket in the back of the mystery machine he was fishing out of.

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That must be a pretty big bucket if shit if Scooby can hide himself.

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I guess so.

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Yep.

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Eventually they come to Swamp's End General Store. So Fred figures, hey, we must be in Swamp's End. Wonder where that is. But he's glad he found it. Fred, I'm pretty sure it's at the end of the swamp. It's right there in the name.

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Right there in the name.

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Why are you driving the mystery meeting? Oh, I guess if you're driving, you don't mean we have to navigate. No. Normally somebody else is reading the map.

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No one was reading a map in this, though, so we know.

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They should have had Shaggy reading the map. Right. Track record shows, you know. Usually Shaggy's the one reading the map.

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Yeah, we've seen quite a few times where he's reading it or reading it and then having it gone a second later. We're randomly just adding it in, and yet, oh wait, why is he?

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Or it being upside down.

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That too. Yeah. He's an expert. He's an expert map reader. Yeah. Yep.

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No. They go inside the general store and meet a guy named Zeke. Yep. Who tells them the zombie was conjured up by the swamp witch. Yep. Using magical voodoo power.

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No, not that.

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That he and his partner Zeb Perkins saw her conjuring the zombie one night while hunting frogs. Apparently. And Scooby, while he's being told the story, is snacking on at first some jelly beans.

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Yep. No harm there.

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Then accidentally grabs some jumping beans.

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Yep.

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Which cause him to jump around making a mess. Velma says that if they if Zeke gives them a broom, they'll clean it up. Yep. And Fred then tells while they're doing that, Shag and Scoob, go check out Zeb's place.

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Yep.

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So yeah, Shag and Scoob, they head off to Zeb Perkins' place, which is seemingly abandoned. That's real. It's cobwebs everywhere. It's like all kinds of spooky.

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Judging by the pad, Shaggy doesn't blame them. Yeah.

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They notice a large shadow outside. And well, it's Shaggy and Scooby. Neither one of them wants to go outside to check. So you know, to determine this, Shaggy is going to use his expert coin toss skills. He is. In which he tells Scooby, heads I win, tails you lose.

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I mean, why would you agree to something like that? I mean, it's Scooby was, hmm, okay.

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What?

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Tails you lose.

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You're gonna lose either way. I mean, what would have and he was crying. I mean, what what would have happened if Shaggy said Heads I win? He was still been crying. So either way, Shaggy won. So there was he knew he wasn't gonna go out. So he expert is he used his expertise to make sure he wasn't the one to go outside. Exactly. What would you have done? I don't know.

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I would have done the exact same thing.

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Well, that he really isn't an expert anyway tossing if he knew what it was gonna end on anyone anyway. Are you saying I'm not an expert? Well, I'm saying him, not you. I wasn't counting you.

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Oh man. Scooby goes outside and he finds a chipmunk. Yep. And pretty much figures the chipmunk caused the shadow. Of course. Well in which Scooby then proceeds to just go ahead and kiss the chipmunk.

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The poor innocent chipmunk. Oh man.

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I don't know if the chipm. Well, we can tell the chipmunk to not appreciate it because the chipmunk is wiping his face or whatnot.

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The poor chipmunk.

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That's not cool, Scooby.

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No, it's not. Scooby versus a chipmunk, and yet the poor chipmunk gets attacked by a dog. Which you don't even know.

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Scooby goes back inside and the zombie slams the door behind Scooby. Yep. So the zombie at least was there. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, who else did a pet zombie? Shaggy and Scooby then find a small figure that looks like Zeb on the bed. Yep. And they figure, oh no, poor Zeb was shrunk down. I thought he shrunk. No, it turns out it's just a voodoo doll. It's just a voodoo doll. Um yep. You know. Yep. The game then decides to get into a boat after Shag and Scoob have met up with them. Yep. Brought them the voodoo doll of Zeke of Zeb. Yep. Almost said Zeke there. You did sit technically. Yeah. Stop giving the people names. Like Zeb and Zeke.

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Stop giving them like giving them the same first letter, okay? Then it will be a lot easier to work with. Uh-huh. Oh boy.

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You know, they get into a boat to follow the witch and the zombie. And they end up at the witch's shack.

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Yep.

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Um, uh ignoring all of the signs saying to stay out. Right.

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Why would why wouldn't they listen? But then again, we know why they won't listen.

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Because you don't believe everything you read.

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That's what Gassio tells us. Yep. That's pretty good. Don't believe that.

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And inside of the witch's shack, they find that the witch has voodoo dolls of them. Of almost all of Mrs. Almost all of them. There's no voodoo doll for Scooby. Apparently not. And the amount of pints sticking into some of these. Like it's crazy. Okay. Daphne's has two. Yep. One in her stomach, one in her leg. Yep. Fred has two, one in his stomach, one in his leg. Yep. But even worse, it's missing his ascot. Yep. So how can we be sure that's Fred? Right, how can we be sure that's Fred? Velma's got one in her neck. Only one. And Shaggy with his deep V-cut top. Yeah. V-neck cut shirt.

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V-neck cut shirt. He's got four in him somehow.

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You know his uh his shoulder one in each shoulder. Yep. Was it his leg?

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It might have one in his head.

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Yeah, but for sure, one in his head.

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I'm thinking one. I'm trying to think one might be.

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Wait a minute, is the leg or his stomach? I think it might. I don't uh I think no, I think it was his leg.

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Okay.

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Because yeah, like that v-neck was basically down into his stomach. It's like, why what is going on? You want a visual left person, like you know, that v-neck could have was like any lower, and it basically would have just been a vest.

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It would have been a vest. You're right. That was pretty low. I'm like, wow.

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Yeah.

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I was not expecting that.

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It's like Shay should have been on the cover of a romance novel. That's what I was thinking.

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He should have been on a romance novel.

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I mean, which is fine for Shay, like I get he gets more girls than Fred does.

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Well, because Fred is technically with Daphne. So that makes sense.

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That's not been proven.

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Well, I know, but it is technically.

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And I'm willing to bet that Daphne was with Shaggy all throughout the 80s.

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Oh, jeez. Well, yeah, because she was they were together a lot more, but I don't know. That would be a little bit stretching and saying she's with Shaggy when she was with Fred. But then someone, a certain someone we'll find out later, says that Daphne's settling for Fred. So we'll find out who that is when we get that park. Oh, you know.

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That's fine. I mean, Scooby doesn't Scooby doesn't really need romantic relationships most of the time.

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Nope. But he does get them later on. It's a little weird. Yeah. It's like, hmm, whatever.

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Going back to the episode. Because that's what you guys want to hear. Yep, right. Scooby pokes the Shaggy voodoo doll in the back. Yep, in the back. In the back. And at the same exact time, Shaggy accidentally backs into a fork. Which is randomly there. He got voodooed.

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I've been voodooed. You just backed into the how how was that fork there? There was how was the fork there in the first place? And Shaggy randomly walked into it. I mean, it didn't drop on the floor. You know, like you would think with that type of movement, it would just fall on the floor.

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It was an incredibly well-timed coincidence.

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Yes. Which that doesn't mean anything when it considered voodoo. Not that I'm, you know, pointing anything out, but it's like, hmm.

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The witch suddenly appears in the doorway. Yep. Basically, like accusing, like, hey, you ignored my signs. Yep. Now you're gonna pay. Daphne.

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I'll pay. How about four bits?

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Daphne says, Well, you shouldn't believe everything you read. When all of a sudden, she vanishes.

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Hmm.

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Puff of smoke after the witch says something about smoke of evil.

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Make her disappear.

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Something like that. Yep. The witch then disappears.

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Yep.

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And, you know. Poor Daphne, all you know, gone in a puff of smoke.

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Oh no.

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All that's left are her footprints.

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Yep.

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And it looks like, you know, her footprints slide back to the to the back of the rug she was standing on. Which can only mean one thing.

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She's got big feet.

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Yes, she has big feet. It's confirmed.

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Shaggy confirmed she's got big feet. What?

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I didn't think I did not know that Shaggy was in the feet.

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I didn't know that either. Boy. Apparently he's in the big feet.

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Boy, this is starting to get kind of unhinged, you guys.

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This is happening, guys. Oh man.

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No, it means that it must have been a trapdoor.

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It must it had to open.

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They go underneath, you know, the witch's shack, and they do find a trapdoor.

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Yep.

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Where how the trapdoor opens and how the footprints are positioned, they shouldn't have slid that way. Right. Like, yeah. I don't know if that's just an error on the animation side of the thing.

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Yeah.

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Anyways, they find footprints underneath.

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Yep.

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And they decide to follow them.

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Right.

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And it leads to an old river boat.

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Riverboat, yep.

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You know. And they see the zombie boat along with a wooden tip or a metal tipped pole. Yep. That you know the zombie uses to push it.

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Right.

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But we have no idea what the wooden or what the metal tip is for.

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Yes. Yep. More for pushing that boat around, I bet. Right? Yep. Hmm. Wonder what it could be used for. Maybe we'll find out.

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They go onto the river boat and they split up. Shag and Scoob are, you know, on their own, like usual.

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Like usual.

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You know. And they come across a box in which Shaggy opens it up and he finds shoes.

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There are a pair of shoes in here.

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But they're attached to the zombie, unfortunately.

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And look what they're attached to. Oh man. Yeah.

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So you know, they start running away from the zombie. Yeah. Go into, you know, the ship saloon, playing some poker, dressed as poker players. Right. So I don't know if we want to add poker players to the cowardly costume compendium.

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I mean, we could. I don't know how high it would rate, but I don't think we're really ranking it.

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I think we're just making a comp a list of all their fun disguises.

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All right. I mean, it yeah, it's a it's not a bad one. I mean, there are better ones. One's coming up, but you know, it's definitely a good one. But they won't it's a disguise they use, so it doesn't work very well because the monster recognizes them.

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We find out Shaggy's not necessarily an expert at poker.

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He's not an expert. The zombie is an expert.

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The zombie helps get Shaggy a full house.

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Yep. Why is he so mad though? Why is the zombie so mad at him?

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I don't know.

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That doesn't make any sense. I don't get that.

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We cut to Fred and Velma looking around, and Velma finds you know a lantern just hanging on the side. Like, hmm, I wonder. If I pull on this, if it'll open a secret door like it does in the movies.

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How what movies have you watched, Velma?

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That's I don't know, but she it snaps, she falls back, hits a brush on a bucket with a soap bar on the brush.

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Yep.

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The bar of soap flies through the air, hits an oil can, which not falls down onto a axe, which then opens up a secret door. Fred asks Velma what kind of movie did she see that in.

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Must have been a soap opera.

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That's the TV genre of Velma, not a movie genre.

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Right. Well, you know, she's an excellent one.

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I thought she was a smart one.

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Well, she is, but I don't think she's the smart in the movie media business. I don't think so.

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You know, they go inside and they see a you know, they find a power winch, some power tools, you know, a cutting torch. Yep. And she covered bundle. And what's that? First they think it's the ghost, but for some reason. Yeah, for some reason Velma knows what Daphne sounds like while gagged. How how she mentions, you know, that sounds like Daphne.

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Sounds like Daphne.

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And it turns out to be Daphne with a gag in her mouth.

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How do you know that that was Daphne? How do you know right? I don't want I actually don't I don't want to know how she we're gonna take. I don't want to know how she knows. Yeah, it's it's a little weird for us guys. We're not gonna touch that topic anymore. We're just gonna leave it as it is.

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Yes. We cut back to Shag and Scoob. They seem to have lost the zombie. I mean they think they did. Zombie does sneak up on them.

SPEAKER_01 24:35

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 24:36

In which then Shaggy notices that he's got a big bald shadow. A bald edited shadow. He's got two shadows.

SPEAKER_02 24:44

He's got two shadows.

SPEAKER_04 24:45

I didn't know he was on Tatooine now with two sons.

SPEAKER_02 24:47

I didn't know he was on that. This is the second episode where we mentioned something about Star Wars. You know, technically the third, I suppose, would be third, wouldn't it?

SPEAKER_04 24:57

You know, we're recording this in May. It wasn't that long before, you know, Star Wars Day.

SPEAKER_02 25:04

Star Wars, Star Wars Day, Star Wars month. This is the May.

unknown 25:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:09

This is the May.

SPEAKER_04 25:10

I'm almost positive that by the time, you know, when people are hearing this, it should be close to the time of the Mandalorian and Grogu.

SPEAKER_02 25:19

Definitely will be. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:21

So it's relevant.

SPEAKER_02 25:22

It is very relevant. You're right. Yep.

SPEAKER_04 25:24

And if not, I say it is.

SPEAKER_02 25:26

Yeah, we'll say it is, guys. We'll definitely say it is ourselves. Oh boy.

SPEAKER_04 25:32

Alright. You know, in which the zombie grabs Shaggy.

SPEAKER_02 25:36

And actually succeeds in grabbing him, which is very surprising. Only one other ghost has been able to actually successfully grab some money.

SPEAKER_04 25:44

Shaggy does manage to get away. They hide in a closet in which they disguise themselves as a witch. So that's another disguise for the costume compendium.

SPEAKER_02 25:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:57

They manage to get by the zombie enough by talking like the witch.

SPEAKER_02 26:03

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 26:04

In which the zombie then notices Scooby's tail and grabs Scooby.

SPEAKER_02 26:08

Double-handed. Both hands he grabs.

SPEAKER_04 26:11

So not only does he grab Shaggy, he also grabs Scooby. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:14

By the tail.

SPEAKER_04 26:16

It isn't the best. Scooby can't get free, so Shaggy gives him a Scooby snack.

SPEAKER_02 26:22

Oh, here we go. Another Scooby snack.

SPEAKER_04 26:24

You know, Scooby tells the zombie to let go.

SPEAKER_02 26:26

And he slaps his hand.

SPEAKER_04 26:28

Yep. They run off, but then the witch appears.

SPEAKER_02 26:32

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 26:32

You know, and so now they're stuck between a witch and a zombie.

SPEAKER_02 26:36

Oh no, how's that gonna go?

SPEAKER_04 26:38

Well, in order to get away, Scoob or Shaggy finds the witch's broom.

SPEAKER_02 26:43

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 26:44

He grabs it. So does the witch. You know. And then, you know, they keep playing that game, and Shaggy wins the broom.

SPEAKER_02 26:54

And the witch is really shocked that he won.

SPEAKER_04 26:56

And then You know, they go ahead and run off the side of the, you know, a hole in the floor of the boat.

SPEAKER_02 27:05

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 27:06

And they fall down.

SPEAKER_02 27:07

They fell into the zombie's boat.

SPEAKER_04 27:09

Guess it's not a.

SPEAKER_02 27:10

What isn't a zombie boat?

SPEAKER_04 27:11

No, it's an airboat.

SPEAKER_02 27:12

It's an airboat that fell into.

SPEAKER_04 27:13

Guess the broom wasn't a flying broom.

SPEAKER_02 27:15

I guess not.

SPEAKER_04 27:16

Must have been a sweeping broom.

SPEAKER_02 27:18

Sweeping broom.

SPEAKER_04 27:20

But, you know, they land in an airboat.

SPEAKER_02 27:23

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 27:24

And they're just in a pile.

SPEAKER_02 27:26

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 27:26

Fred and the girls notice and believe that the witch has Scooby.

SPEAKER_02 27:31

Which that causes Daphne to pull Fred back because for some reason Fred looks really worried that he's a little bit of a scoop.

SPEAKER_04 27:36

Yeah, it looks like Fred's about to just go in and jump the witch.

SPEAKER_02 27:42

I'm like, what? Like, how is this even how is this even possible?

SPEAKER_04 27:46

It's because in the future they'll share a voice actor.

SPEAKER_02 27:49

Oh, okay. Alright.

SPEAKER_04 27:53

You know. They then start to pummel said witch until they find out it's Shaggy after they've severely pummeled him.

SPEAKER_02 28:01

Poor Shaggy.

SPEAKER_04 28:02

I mean, that's just they take the airboat out, in which then the witch is blocking the exit tunnel.

SPEAKER_02 28:10

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 28:11

They crash into said witch, and it turns out to be a balloon.

SPEAKER_02 28:14

Oh, so we did figure out which witch is which, huh?

SPEAKER_04 28:18

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 28:19

One is the real one and one is a balloon. Yep. So we know which is the real one.

SPEAKER_04 28:24

You know, there's no way to turn the airboat off. Nope. So Scooby drops down an anchor. Which, you know, fishes up an armored car and turns his collar yellow.

SPEAKER_02 28:40

Yeah, for some reason, how does that happen?

SPEAKER_04 28:43

You know? They get out of, you know, they get out of the boat onto the you know shore, and using some ropes and pulleys, they pull up the armored car and it's full of money.

unknown 28:56

Money.

SPEAKER_04 28:57

They figure that's what the witch and zombie must be looking for. Right.

SPEAKER_02 29:00

What else would they have been at?

SPEAKER_04 29:02

So what they're gonna do is they're gonna give it to them.

SPEAKER_02 29:04

What?

SPEAKER_04 29:05

Yep. What?

SPEAKER_02 29:07

That doesn't make any fur.

SPEAKER_04 29:09

We now get to what I like to call the money pit trap.

SPEAKER_02 29:12

Yay, the money pit trap.

SPEAKER_04 29:14

Uh Shaggy and Scooby are hiding inside of money bags that are just out sitting there for the witch and zombie to find.

SPEAKER_02 29:22

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 29:23

Witches so excited.

SPEAKER_01 29:25

There's the money. Money, money, money.

SPEAKER_04 29:29

In which then Scooby pops out of that bag. Zombies buy the other big. Shaggy pops up, like, here, double ugly, go buy yourself a new face.

SPEAKER_02 29:40

And he doesn't like that at all.

SPEAKER_04 29:43

They hop off back to where Fred and the girls have the rest of the trap. Yep. Basically, when Fred tells them to duck, they are to hop out of the way while the tree branch he has pulled back is let go of to sway into the witch and the zombie.

SPEAKER_01 30:01

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 30:02

Scooby's bag is stuck, so Scooby accidentally goofs and gets hit by the tree branch as well.

SPEAKER_02 30:09

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 30:10

They land in a cart which is rolling down a hill to the armored car. Yep. And Shaggy expertly ungoofs Scooby by fishing him back.

SPEAKER_03 30:20

By fishing him back. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 30:23

You know. So Scooby is caught out of the trap, and the witch and the zombie get trapped into the armored car.

SPEAKER_02 30:32

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 30:35

Local law enforcement is there now.

SPEAKER_02 30:38

Probably because they contacted him to show up.

SPEAKER_04 30:42

And basically, you know, they find out that it was Zeb as the zombie and Zeke as the witch.

SPEAKER_01 30:51

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 30:52

That you know sometime ago they had stolen the armored car and hid it in the swamp. Yep. And over time they couldn't find it again. So they used the witch in zombie disguise to search the swamp using the metal-tipped pole, you know.

SPEAKER_01 31:13

To find it.

SPEAKER_04 31:14

To find it, you know, when the metal of the pole hit the metal of the truck.

SPEAKER_01 31:18

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 31:19

You know, they know where it is, and then they'd use the power winch to bring it back up.

SPEAKER_01 31:24

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 31:26

You know. Seems pretty smart on paper.

SPEAKER_02 31:29

Right, but yet you sink the sh uh car with a lot of money in it. Yeah. The money would pretty much be all wet and socky and good by now. I mean, I don't think those those bags wouldn't have held them because it would have gone through the bag. It's not like it's a you know, it's not like plastic that could keep it campaigned for a long time. So it's like how I mean, but it's m it's coins though, but yet still that would have gotten all deteriorated over time. Yeah. But I don't know. It depends right. It depends on how long it was the car was in there for.

SPEAKER_04 32:05

Plus it's swamp water. Who wants to go in a swamp?

SPEAKER_02 32:08

Yeah, that why would yeah, why would and for a swamp, swamps aren't that deep.

SPEAKER_04 32:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:14

So technically the car would have been somewhat out of it, too.

SPEAKER_04 32:19

One would think, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:20

Right. But oh wow. Whatever.

SPEAKER_04 32:23

You know, we wrap up this we wrap up this episode. They're back in the mystery machine. Scooby's still fishing in his little bucket. Yep. In which eventually Scooby does catch a fish.

SPEAKER_02 32:35

Yay. Somehow.

SPEAKER_04 32:37

You know, and that's one fish story no one's gonna believe. And that's the end of our episode. Yeah. So now we get the fun responsibilities of funness. So I think we're gonna mix things up a bit.

SPEAKER_02 32:59

Oh boy, we're gonna okay.

SPEAKER_04 33:01

Well, first we the easy part of our jobs. Uh-huh. You know, the snack intake.

SPEAKER_02 33:06

Definitely the snack intake.

SPEAKER_04 33:07

We get to add one.

SPEAKER_02 33:08

Very different than the last episode. We added like 40 of them. How does the how does that even go?

SPEAKER_04 33:15

So our new snack intake is 61 Scooby snacks. Yep. One shaggy snack and one hero sandwich. You know. We are still, I'd say what, five for probably roughly five until we get to ones that have more in them again.

SPEAKER_02 33:34

Yeah. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 33:36

You know.

SPEAKER_04 33:38

Then, before we get to the Manifest of Monsters and the table of and failure files, I think we'll go straight to the table of snacks.

SPEAKER_02 33:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 33:50

You know, mixing it up a bit.

SPEAKER_02 33:52

Mixing it up a bit? Okay.

SPEAKER_04 33:53

So what do you think? How many Scooby Snacks do you think this episode brings to the table?

SPEAKER_02 34:00

I mean, it was a pretty good episode. I mean, it actually was a lot, you know, a lot more fun. Yeah. We had a lot more fun watching it. You know, I mean, I again, it's probably gonna be at least a solid four. Unless you think differently.

SPEAKER_04 34:15

I mean, I don't know how I would say. This is okay, this is going to sound really weird considering other episodes where we have had uh super iconic monsters.

SPEAKER_02 34:31

Right.

SPEAKER_04 34:33

You know. I almost think this one almost deserves a five.

SPEAKER_02 34:39

Okay. Um, we also have a really good trap in this episode.

SPEAKER_04 34:42

You know, you know trap uh one, the trap pretty much goes off without a hitch. Right. You know, Scooby Yes. I mean even Scooby goofs. But not because of any real fault of his own.

SPEAKER_02 34:53

No, he just gets stuck in that trap.

SPEAKER_04 34:55

But like he also got ungoofed by Shaggy.

SPEAKER_02 34:58

You know, so he wasn't out of the way in time.

SPEAKER_04 35:00

So he wasn't caught in the trap.

SPEAKER_02 35:02

No.

SPEAKER_04 35:03

You know, a zombie's an iconic one that made it into the live action Scooby. Right, too.

SPEAKER_02 35:09

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 35:11

You know, Daphne does get captured. Right. As per what Daphne is known for.

SPEAKER_02 35:16

Yep. Damsel in Distress. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 35:21

You know, I think I think this is like if I had to pick an episode to show somebody that's never seen Scooby before, this would be one of them.

SPEAKER_02 35:30

It could be, yeah. Definitely could be one of them.

SPEAKER_04 35:32

We get, you know, Scooby and Shaggy in disguise while running away from the monster.

SPEAKER_02 35:36

Right.

SPEAKER_04 35:37

You know.

SPEAKER_02 35:39

We get the iconic Scooby not wanting to do something and then gets bribed into doing something or falsely put into something and doesn't realize he's gonna lose either way.

SPEAKER_04 35:48

Yeah, so I would I personally I would give this one a five.

SPEAKER_02 35:51

Alright.

SPEAKER_04 35:51

Yeah, we can our first five, one ever. Um, possibly second. I think we did give one a knight for a night a five.

SPEAKER_02 35:58

Oh, okay. Um, never mind. I guess I backtracked. Okay. You actually have the oh, okay. Now we're doing the So Alright.

SPEAKER_04 36:12

So what do we want to do first? The failure files or the manifesto monsters. Let's flip it. Let's do the the failure files first. Alright.

SPEAKER_02 36:22

So we'll do the first yeah, so we'll do them all different.

SPEAKER_04 36:24

Alright, so the money pit trap. Quick reminder of our current rankings. Rankings. Yeah. 13 is just the tapestry. Yep. 12, we've got the giant slide. Yep. 11 instant suds.

SPEAKER_02 36:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 36:40

Ten is just, you know, the dog stampede. Yep. Nine is almost biplane homicide. I feel like we need to stress the fact that like Scooby tried to run a biplane into a person.

SPEAKER_02 36:54

Yep. Make him into a ghost. Literally make him into a ghost. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 37:01

Number eight is Scooby's take on Empire Strikes Back. A good almost. No, 20 years would be 89. So a good like 10, 8 years before. 11.

SPEAKER_02 37:20

11.

SPEAKER_04 37:21

A good 11 years before Empire Strikes Back came out.

SPEAKER_02 37:23

So he m George Lucas must have had to watch Gooby-Doo to get the idea for Must've. Must have.

SPEAKER_04 37:32

There's no other way.

SPEAKER_02 37:33

There's no other. No. No, there's nothing else that even comes close. So what that could have been.

SPEAKER_04 37:42

You know, then we've got the drum in the tuba.

SPEAKER_02 37:44

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 37:46

The crate and the giant acme level magnet.

SPEAKER_02 37:49

Right.

SPEAKER_04 37:51

You know, just the random mirror. The lawnmower basketball from last week.

SPEAKER_02 37:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:58

You know, the chandelier to stop a werewolf. The special effects nonsense.

SPEAKER_02 38:04

Definitely.

SPEAKER_04 38:05

And finally, at the number one best trap is the better mouse trap. Feel the better mouse trap. From Hassel in the Castle. Yep. So, where would you put the money pit?

SPEAKER_02 38:17

Aw, I mean the money pit was a really good trap. Like you said, it went off without a hitch. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 38:24

So taking the fact that it went out without a hitch.

SPEAKER_02 38:27

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 38:29

I believe I already put it above lawnmower basketball.

SPEAKER_02 38:32

I would say definitely above that.

SPEAKER_04 38:35

Now, do we think it's as good or, you know, do we think it's better or worse than the chandelier?

SPEAKER_02 38:41

I think it's probably better than the chandelier.

SPEAKER_04 38:43

I yeah, like the fact that yes, there was a goof, but it was quickly ungoofed.

SPEAKER_02 38:48

It was quickly ungoofed versus him being stuck in it like in the Right.

SPEAKER_04 38:52

So do we think it's better than special effects?

SPEAKER_02 38:58

I mean, I I I mean I would say I would say that it is.

SPEAKER_04 39:02

Okay. Now, do we think that it's better than the better mouse trap?

SPEAKER_02 39:07

That that's a qu that's questionable. I I don't know what your thoughts would be. I mean, it's definitely better than all the other ones, but I don't know if it beats out a better. I mean, it it argument could be made for it being either way.

SPEAKER_04 39:23

So the way I'm looking at it right now.

SPEAKER_02 39:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 39:27

The better mouse trap is the perfect example of what you expect from the Scooby-Doo trap. Right. Because it is just so many different intricate parts working together. You know. Right. That we do have that with this one. Just not to the same scale.

SPEAKER_02 39:48

Not the same extent.

SPEAKER_04 39:49

Right. And yes, Scooby does goof, but it's ungoofed to where it's only the monsters trapped in the trap.

SPEAKER_02 39:58

Right.

SPEAKER_04 39:59

I would almost say this was better.

SPEAKER_02 40:01

So you want to put the money pit as number one.

SPEAKER_04 40:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:08

Alright, let's see.

SPEAKER_04 40:09

Are you fine with that?

SPEAKER_02 40:10

Fine with that. Wow. We are what? They took 13 episodes. 13 episodes to beat out a mouse.

SPEAKER_04 40:17

Technically more than 13.

SPEAKER_02 40:23

Yeah, it took a quite a f took quite a few episodes to finally beat out a better mousetrap. Wow. Then the money pit being out the better mousetrap. Because like you said, if it if Shake if a Scooby wouldn't have been on goofed so quickly, it probably would have been below a better mousetrap. So because of the fact that it's you know that he does end up getting out of it, you know, it definitely makes sense that he would that it would be higher up, which is you know, which is unexpected that this beats out a better mouse trap. But it makes sense though. I mean, because you have all those factors, then Scooby gets ungoosed right away without any problems. Yes. And the ghosts are able to get trapped into it before Scooby gets.

SPEAKER_04 41:15

So yeah, like the fact that it was episode yeah, episode three is what gave us the better mouse trap.

SPEAKER_02 41:21

Oh, that's right.

SPEAKER_04 41:21

So it wouldn't be even it took like 10 episodes to get beaten out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:28

But I mean it was a really good, even though it wasn't explained as it wasn't explained in detail as it was in that episode, but yet it still was a really good trap that actually worked. If Scooby hadn't have gotten which what like you said, it wasn't his fault because this bag got caught in a tree tree sticking out, right? So it's not even his fault at all. Right. You know, unlike the other one where he tripped over the wire.

SPEAKER_04 41:52

Which now brings us to the good old manifest of monsters. All right. Alright, so current monster rankings. Yeah. At 15, we've got Frankenstein's monster because of his complete inability to hold on to somebody after they've been given to him on a silver platter. Pushes away. Or in his case, a silver gurney.

unknown 42:18

Silver gurney.

SPEAKER_04 42:20

Then we've got the ape-man who is so lazy with his costume design. Definitely. He just used what was given to him for the movie he was working on.

SPEAKER_02 42:28

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 42:29

Didn't even bother to put on something different.

SPEAKER_02 42:31

Didn't even bother to do that. Nope.

SPEAKER_04 42:33

Then we've got the fortune teller.

SPEAKER_02 42:35

Yep. Who you know is just uh just what the actor is just hiding behind so he can do what he needs to do at the castle. Yeah. To warn people away, which it probably works for other people, but yeah. Apparently not for the gang, you know, because of course.

SPEAKER_04 42:52

Yeah, it doesn't really do much. Like then we have the Vasquez Castle Ghost. Yep. With his bed sheet-looking design.

SPEAKER_02 43:02

Yeah, I know, yep.

SPEAKER_04 43:03

And his lack of being able to grab somebody.

SPEAKER_02 43:06

Yeah, he's not very good at that.

unknown 43:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 43:10

Then we've got the Black Knight Ghost.

SPEAKER_02 43:12

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 43:13

The mummy. The mummy. Who was also incredibly bad at grabbing them.

SPEAKER_02 43:20

Especially someone who's sitting right in front of you, right on the same bench.

SPEAKER_04 43:24

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 43:25

You can't grab them, but now sudden, hmm. You had all that time while you were talking. You could have reached forward and grabbed them, but you know. Yeah, I guess.

SPEAKER_04 43:35

Not very good there. Then we get the minor 49er. Yep. Ooh. It had a nice design, but also really lazy that all you did was just put on some stilts and stilts and bigger boots.

SPEAKER_02 43:50

And bigger boots. Yeah. Taller boots, I should say.

SPEAKER_04 43:56

And yeah, wearing the same outfit when you're the only other person besides. It's somebody else.

SPEAKER_02 44:00

Right, because it couldn't have been the caretaker because he that was too Right. Wasn't the right look with his bulkiness and all that anyway. So it couldn't have been him.

SPEAKER_04 44:12

Right. We then move to the Indian witch doctor. Yep. Captain Cutler's ghost. Captain Cutler. Werewolf. Werewolf. Then in the top five, we've got Charlie the Robot. Yep. The ghost clown. Yep. Pietro the puppet master. Also known as the kick the cloaked cavalier. The cloaked cavalier, who was very destructive as he destroys. Yes. Then we've got the Franken Vampire. Franken Vampire. Yep. And finally, so far, the best ghost of Scooby Dayware already. The ghost of Elias Kingston, who's managed to grab Shaggy off camera.

SPEAKER_02 44:55

Yeah. Isn't it like two times or something?

SPEAKER_04 44:57

Oh, it was two or three.

SPEAKER_02 44:58

Yeah. So I think it was two. So he caught him the first time when it was the clue. And then the second time when it was they're giving the fortune.

SPEAKER_04 45:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:06

Yeah, so I think it was two, I think. I could be wrong. I don't want to quote anything on that.

SPEAKER_04 45:12

Yeah. I don't want to either way. So the witch of the zombie.

SPEAKER_02 45:19

Okay, so we're gonna separate them, right?

SPEAKER_04 45:22

Yeah, I think it would be best. Oh boy. One of them does more than the other.

SPEAKER_02 45:26

One of them. Well, one of them is considered the more the henchmen. So the henchman usually does more than the actual technically.

SPEAKER_04 45:34

Technical I mean technically.

SPEAKER_02 45:37

Because usually when it's like with bad guys, usually the henchman does a lot more work than the and then than the than the leader. The leader comes up to get all the credit versus the henchman who did all the work. Usually that's how evil hen you evil henchmen and all that stuff is just how they work.

SPEAKER_04 45:54

Oh, so alright. Do we do the witch first or the zombie?

SPEAKER_02 45:58

I guess we'll do the witch first because she's gonna be lower, I think.

SPEAKER_04 46:03

So so alright. Where should we put the witch?

SPEAKER_02 46:08

That's a good question. I don't know where we'd put her. I mean, she's probably about the same area as the fortune teller. I mean, I could be wrong. Okay. I mean, I don't I mean, I mean, that's just starting off who she's feels better than, but she's kind of a So, alright, do we all right?

SPEAKER_04 46:25

So was the Vas Do we think the Vas Kid's castle ghost is better than the witch?

SPEAKER_02 46:29

No, that's a tough one. He's not. I mean, she does manage to catch Daphne, even though I think the the zombie was underneath the poe that thing at the end.

SPEAKER_04 46:39

Yeah, and you know, the one who most likely tied her up. But did manage to get Daphne to fall down a trapdoor.

SPEAKER_02 46:45

Right. I mean, I think she's at least better than the castle. I mean, I just did that as a starting point saying, you know, definitely, but I think, yeah, I think she's definitely better than the castle ghost.

SPEAKER_04 46:54

I could I mean I don't know Do you think she's better than the Black Knights? Oh, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 46:59

That's a tough one.

SPEAKER_04 47:03

I'd almost say no.

SPEAKER_02 47:05

No. Okay, yeah. I mean, she could be She's not as good as.

SPEAKER_04 47:10

Yeah, she doesn't really do much of anything.

SPEAKER_02 47:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 47:14

And like again, like she wasn't iconic enough to make it into the live-action movie.

SPEAKER_02 47:21

She wasn't, not like her counterpart.

SPEAKER_04 47:25

Right. Okay. So now that brings us to the zombie.

SPEAKER_02 47:31

I mean, I would honestly say he's in at least a top three. I mean, I would definitely I mean, I don't know what you're thinking, but I at least want to put him up in the just to start. The top three. We can move him around as we feel like, but I mean just as a starting point, at least like better than all the ones below him, but I think he's better than the master. Yeah, he's better than maybe even better than the vampire because he can catch two different people.

SPEAKER_04 48:00

Yeah, he caught you know he caught Shaggy and Scooby on screen. Right. Daphne off screen.

SPEAKER_02 48:08

Right.

SPEAKER_04 48:12

Now that's a tough one.

SPEAKER_02 48:13

Is he because we know he's at least two. Is he gonna beat out Kingston?

SPEAKER_04 48:20

Do you I'm trying to I'm trying to think like because right now, like, really most of what the zombie does have going for him is his entire the the entire fact that he grabbed Shaggy, he grabbed Scooby, you know, he didn't successfully tie up Daphne. Right. And stuff that we know Elias Kingston did. Grabbed Shaggy at least twice.

SPEAKER_02 48:50

Right.

SPEAKER_04 48:50

Granted, he was off-screen.

SPEAKER_02 48:52

Right, but then that just makes him the more sneaky.

SPEAKER_04 48:55

He did successfully tie up the girl with your friend Sharon.

SPEAKER_02 49:00

Yep. That was off-screen, but we saw her tat up on screen.

SPEAKER_04 49:04

Yep. He you know, you know, he controlled the flying table.

SPEAKER_02 49:12

Right.

SPEAKER_04 49:12

You know, yeah you know, he did trick them into the mausoleum. Yeah, the mausoleum. Yep. You know, Elias Kingston was a fairly effective.

SPEAKER_02 49:25

Right, he was fairly effective. Right. So I would say I I'd put zombie at two. At two, okay. I'm definitely in agreement with that because he's his sneakiness and grabbiness is just as good as Kingston, but yet Kingston put, I don't want to say put a lot more work, but he was a lot more, like you say, he's a lot more effective, but yet they're both effective in what they did, but yet Kingston just came out a little bit more effective.

SPEAKER_04 49:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:49

But that's a good choice there, I think.

SPEAKER_04 49:51

Yeah, and that's a good showing. Like, and yeah, honestly, I'm surprised that you know he, you know, this is zombie now at number two. Like, we finally do have one of the live-action Scooby-Doo 2 monsters.

SPEAKER_02 50:09

In one of the top three.

SPEAKER_04 50:10

In like the you know, top two spots, you know. Yeah. Because yeah, before that was like Captain Cutler, who sadly got you know beaten down pretty successfully, like pretty much since episode six.

SPEAKER_02 50:27

I mean, he's still in the top ten, but yet he's I mean, he's getting up there too, to where he could definitely be beaten out of the top ten. Yeah, and with I mean, I think so.

SPEAKER_04 50:37

Yeah, and with only you know, about 12 episodes left in Scooby-Doo, where are you?

SPEAKER_02 50:42

And I mean he's yeah, he's definitely gonna.

SPEAKER_04 50:44

I don't think we have any more episodes where we have multiple monsters.

SPEAKER_02 50:48

Yeah, I don't I don't think yeah, no, I don't think so.

SPEAKER_04 50:51

Because what next week is Redbeard.

SPEAKER_02 50:54

Yep. Well, no, he has his accomplices, but then are we gonna count that? It's pretty hard to say.

SPEAKER_04 50:59

I I think that because they're just pirates. Right. Like, granted, like, yes, there's they should be quote unquote ghost pirates. Right. Yep. But you know, that would be like with the Indian witch doctor the dog nappers. Right.

SPEAKER_02 51:19

Oh, yeah, the guy's really rank them, so we might not rank these two as much as we did everybody else, but you know, we've got I know we've got the Phantom Shadows coming up. Yep.

SPEAKER_04 51:32

You know, but that's two, so they pretty much rank together.

SPEAKER_02 51:36

Right, yep. Oh, we have uh mystery mix-up with the two where yeah, the one guy and his zombie co cohorts. I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 51:47

Granted, we see the zombies do more than him. Uh whereas with Redbeard, we we see Redbeard more than we see The henchmen. Yeah, at least it feels like Redbeard is doing more.

SPEAKER_02 52:02

Right. Yeah. No, that that works. I d you know just saying, but yeah, I mean, I think honestly, I think he's gonna be beaten out of the top ten. I mean, just yeah, just with how iconic some of the next ones are that are coming up. Yeah. I think he's gonna be beaten out.

SPEAKER_04 52:19

Like, not saying there's yeah, and especially like when we start, you know, yeah, granted, we haven't really taken a lot of design into effect effect for a couple of these top ones for a while.

SPEAKER_02 52:33

Right.

SPEAKER_04 52:34

I mean, I do think the design of Alliance Kinston is a lot more involved in the zombie.

SPEAKER_02 52:39

Yeah. Right, right. But it's the effectiveness of the zombie that makes him more getting up to the top spot, apparently.

SPEAKER_04 52:48

Yeah. But yeah, some of the designs that we have coming up for sure are gonna be a lot more like say uh design-wise, at least for sure to be no Captain Cutler.

SPEAKER_02 52:59

Yeah, oh yeah, most definitely. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 53:02

And I now that I think of it, I can't is this the last one from Where Are You that was one of the live-action monsters? Um because what we've got Redbeard, right, spooky space kook, Phantom Shadows, Snow Ghost. Yep, the ghost of Mr. Hyde, Caveman, Creeper, Werewolf again, Waxman, yeah, the tiki guy.

SPEAKER_02 53:38

Our house hang-up.

SPEAKER_04 53:39

Yeah, the headless specter.

SPEAKER_02 53:42

Yeah. I mean, yeah, I think that is the last one.

SPEAKER_04 53:46

Which is weak.

SPEAKER_02 53:47

Like, I'm uh a little surprised the Creeper wasn't considered right, because he's so I mean, he is one of the most iconic ones on all of them.

SPEAKER_04 53:56

I could see why you wouldn't want to consider somebody like Spooky Space Cook, I think, in a live action design that would be.

SPEAKER_02 54:02

That'd be kind of difficult to do. For a yeah, I would use special effect-wise, that'd be kind of difficult.

SPEAKER_04 54:07

For a live action cartoon movie that you know parents are gonna take their kids to, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 54:12

Right. I mean, it's just maybe that's why they skipped out on Creeper.

SPEAKER_04 54:16

I could feel Creeper being a little creepy.

SPEAKER_02 54:20

Okay, I mean, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 54:22

I I in a live action setting I couldn't see it. Like whereas, you know, the zombie had like goofy zombie look.

SPEAKER_02 54:28

Yeah, he kinda yeah, he looked similar to the they made it really good for the special effects, so he looked very similar to the one on the you know episode.

SPEAKER_04 54:38

Um boy, I can't wait till we cover that movie because I wanna I wanna comb through the scenes at the cool zonian.

SPEAKER_02 54:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 54:48

You know, to see what monsters they all right, they all have.

SPEAKER_02 54:52

They all meant like made reference to that's uh episode for another time, you guys, and it'll be a while before we get to that one.

SPEAKER_04 55:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:02

But we're looking forward to it.

SPEAKER_04 55:04

Yep, and I think that just about wraps up this week's episode.

SPEAKER_02 55:08

I think so too. Do we have a safety concern for the episode? I don't know if there was one for this one.

SPEAKER_04 55:16

Don't fall down a trapdoor, don't rely on soap operas that teach you how to open doors. Um dress up as a witch to get pummeled by your friends.

SPEAKER_02 55:26

Yeah, right? That's definitely one of them.

SPEAKER_04 55:30

Don't stick your head up the dress of a balloon witch.

SPEAKER_02 55:33

Yeah, definitely not.

SPEAKER_04 55:36

Um don't back into forks when you're poked by a voodoo dough.

SPEAKER_02 55:40

Yeah, don't do that either. Definitely not.

SPEAKER_04 55:43

Yeah, I don't know how long the safety concerns will last.

SPEAKER_02 55:46

I don't know. We'll have to see. Oh, but yeah, I think it this definitely wraps up this episode.

SPEAKER_04 55:53

I think don't kiss things without proper consent.

SPEAKER_02 55:57

Yeah, don't do that either. Definitely not.

SPEAKER_04 56:00

Yeah. Anyways, we will be back next week for go away ghost ship.

SPEAKER_02 56:07

Go away ghost ship. Yep.

SPEAKER_04 56:09

I really hope the ghost ship does go away.

SPEAKER_02 56:11

Yeah, I do too. I don't want to see it all.

SPEAKER_04 56:13

I'm still with enough ghost ships in my life.

SPEAKER_02 56:16

You have? Okay.

SPEAKER_04 56:18

Yeah. Legend of Zelda, the Wind Waker. There's a ghost ship.

SPEAKER_02 56:21

Oh, okay. There's a ghost ship. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 56:22

And I think in Phantom Hourglass. But I haven't played a whole lot of that one.

SPEAKER_02 56:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 56:28

But I have played a lot of Wind Waker. It is my favorite Zelda game.

SPEAKER_02 56:31

It is my favorite Zelda game. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 56:33

Alright. Yeah, take notes.

SPEAKER_02 56:38

Right. Take notes, guys.

SPEAKER_04 56:40

Maybe we'll set up like a whole Scooby Zone Jeopardy tournament.

SPEAKER_02 56:44

Oh god. That'll be that'll be interesting. We'll have to really work on that one.

SPEAKER_04 56:51

Honestly, if we do that for any sort of like podcast anniversary where we get guests to play a Jeopardy, a version of Jeopardy that we made up. You know, there's gonna be mostly Scooby-related categories, but then there's just gotta be the one random category that's dedicated to us.

SPEAKER_02 57:10

Random things about it.

SPEAKER_04 57:10

Because we can't compete, we've gotta host it.

SPEAKER_02 57:13

Right, yeah, we can't compete. We're gonna have to host it. Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 57:16

Why would we hold why would we be an way away from any sort of anniversary?

SPEAKER_02 57:21

Oh, I know. We're a long ways away from that, I guess.

SPEAKER_04 57:25

Anyways.

SPEAKER_02 57:26

All right.

SPEAKER_04 57:27

We'll see you guys later. And just remember, they would have gotten away with it too.

SPEAKER_02 57:32

If it weren't for those meddling kids.